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	<title>Comments on: NHIbernate 2.0 Goes Beta 1 after Microsoft &#8216;Linq to Entities&#8217; receives &#8216;vote of no confidence&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Damon Wilder Carr</title>
		<link>http://blog.domaindotnet.com/2008/06/29/nhibernate-20-goes-beta-1-while-microsoft-linq-to-entities-receives-vote-of-no-confidence-from-many-leading-net-experts-as-unacceptable/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Wilder Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got back to Steve personally but still plan on posting a more comprehensive response. 

Basically Linq to NHibernate is now working only off the trunk (last I checked) which is fine, however as beta 1 broke the previous stable Linq bits, it's not a simple answer as to 'what do I want to commit to if not the moving trunk code base'.

More soon. A lot more...

Damon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got back to Steve personally but still plan on posting a more comprehensive response. </p>
<p>Basically Linq to NHibernate is now working only off the trunk (last I checked) which is fine, however as beta 1 broke the previous stable Linq bits, it&#8217;s not a simple answer as to &#8216;what do I want to commit to if not the moving trunk code base&#8217;.</p>
<p>More soon. A lot more&#8230;</p>
<p>Damon</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Damon, any luck on the NHibernate.Linq for Beta 1 ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Damon, any luck on the NHibernate.Linq for Beta 1 ?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent - I totally agree.  

Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent - I totally agree.  </p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Wilder Carr</title>
		<link>http://blog.domaindotnet.com/2008/06/29/nhibernate-20-goes-beta-1-while-microsoft-linq-to-entities-receives-vote-of-no-confidence-from-many-leading-net-experts-as-unacceptable/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Wilder Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure and thanks! I will create a package or a simple link and add it here for your (and others reference).

I'll actually then ask Ayende if I can be a distribution point for perhaps builds he says are stable (and immediately I'll list the new location). I just had to figure this out myself and I remember when he moved it from his experiments directory to NHContrib but I didn't know it was not there..

I would say he is working on what could be the single most critical software component for getting .NET to not just keep up but finally take a small lead for a moment in time over our Java peers. 

For us Linq (and really the functional language aspects of Expressions and the fantastic enhancements on delegates with Lambada Expressions) was a stroke of genious for Microsoft started way back with the List and foreach, find, etc... 

We are obsessed with writing providers and indeed are writing up some abstractions to make it easier to manipulate the Expression tree. 

For us it's not just about 'Linq to Data Source X' but 'Linq to Domain' where domain is specific to an organization and is abstracting perhaps ten data sources... THAT is amazing for SOA where the API is all about say structured finance but it's calling into WCF, MSMQ, MQSeries, etc. without any 'technical' API pollution.

Thoughts?

Get you that in a bit.

Thanks,
Damon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure and thanks! I will create a package or a simple link and add it here for your (and others reference).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll actually then ask Ayende if I can be a distribution point for perhaps builds he says are stable (and immediately I&#8217;ll list the new location). I just had to figure this out myself and I remember when he moved it from his experiments directory to NHContrib but I didn&#8217;t know it was not there..</p>
<p>I would say he is working on what could be the single most critical software component for getting .NET to not just keep up but finally take a small lead for a moment in time over our Java peers. </p>
<p>For us Linq (and really the functional language aspects of Expressions and the fantastic enhancements on delegates with Lambada Expressions) was a stroke of genious for Microsoft started way back with the List and foreach, find, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>We are obsessed with writing providers and indeed are writing up some abstractions to make it easier to manipulate the Expression tree. </p>
<p>For us it&#8217;s not just about &#8216;Linq to Data Source X&#8217; but &#8216;Linq to Domain&#8217; where domain is specific to an organization and is abstracting perhaps ten data sources&#8230; THAT is amazing for SOA where the API is all about say structured finance but it&#8217;s calling into WCF, MSMQ, MQSeries, etc. without any &#8216;technical&#8217; API pollution.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>Get you that in a bit.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Damon</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.domaindotnet.com/2008/06/29/nhibernate-20-goes-beta-1-while-microsoft-linq-to-entities-receives-vote-of-no-confidence-from-many-leading-net-experts-as-unacceptable/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: I'm unable to find NHibernate.Linq in the NHContrib (For the latest version of NH).

Any ideas?

Thank you - and great post/site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: I&#8217;m unable to find NHibernate.Linq in the NHContrib (For the latest version of NH).</p>
<p>Any ideas?</p>
<p>Thank you - and great post/site!</p>
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		<title>By: Shifting directions&#8230; : { null != Steve }</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shifting directions&#8230; : { null != Steve }</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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